Weaving in a noise gate and pedals which normally live inside the send / return loop of another pedal

[Snarklife]

Hi, all. I’ve got an ML10X on the way and I’m trying to get my head around where various things would go.

First up, a TC Sentry noise gate - which uses the four cable method to cut noise from pedals within its send / return loop while keying the gate via its in and out (like the Boss NS-2 / NS-1X or the EHX Silencer, Decimator G-String, etc). I’m using Tonex on my board, which doesn’t have its own send / return loop and the KMA Endgame to PA and various other things at the end of my chain.

I can totally imagine putting the ML10X in the Sentry’s send / return loop, so…

Guitar > other pedals (fuzz, wah, compressor, pitch, eq, etc) > Sentry in > Sentry send > ML10X in > NOISY PEDALS > ML10X out > Sentry return > Sentry out > Tonex > Stereo mod pedals > KMA ENDGAME > PA

…but this means no stereo pedals in the ML10X’s loops should I move the ordering around. Could I instead go:

Guitar > other pedals (fuzz, wah, compressor, pitch, eq, etc) > Sentry in > Sentry send > ML10X in > NOISY PEDALS IN SEVERAL ML10X MONO LOOPS > Sentry return & Sentry out IN A FURTHER ML10X MONO LOOP > Tonex in an ML10x MONO or STEREO LOOP > STEREO MOD PEDALS IN ML10X STEREO LOOPS > ML10X out > KMA ENDGAME (stereo fx return) > PA?

It’s the idea of putting the Sentry’s return and out into an ML10X loop that I’m not sure about. It feels weird, like I’m missing something.

Would this have to be an advanced present, or could it be done in simple mode so I can toggle pedals in and out?

I know it’s super-complicated, but I guess that’s the point of these things - to solve complicated problems!

Thanks so much in advance to anyone who can help or chip in with thoughts,

Robin

[tyjohnston]

Hey, I run a similar setup with a Revv G8. It really comes down to how many loops you have available on the ML10X. I run a lot of stereo pedals that I like to move around, so I ended up with only a few loops for my mono pedals.

This looks right:

Guitar > other pedals (fuzz, wah, compressor, pitch, eq, etc) > Sentry in > Sentry send > ML10X in > NOISY PEDALS IN SEVERAL ML10X MONO LOOPS > Sentry return & Sentry out IN A FURTHER ML10X MONO LOOP > Tonex in an ML10x MONO or STEREO LOOP > STEREO MOD PEDALS IN ML10X STEREO LOOPS > ML10X out > KMA ENDGAME (stereo fx return) > PA?

It all comes down to what you’re using the ML10X for. If you’re needing to rearrange certain drives all the time, just put them in their own loops. But, if you’re like me, and you never move around like 2 or 3 drives, just group them together in a loop and save space for more stuff!

Have you tried out that setup yet?

[Snarklife]

Yeah, I finally got some time to patch it all together and… it’s a complete horror show! Strangled tone, noisy as hell. But that’s the fun (maaaaaybe?) of these projects. You start with something that sounds great, decide to change it and it’s waaaaay worse. Until it’s not. I’ll go again tomorrow but, in the short term, I might take the gate out of the loop and check something else isn’t the culprit. Once it sounds good I can try to tidy