Weaving in a noise gate and pedals which normally live inside the send / return loop of another pedal

[Snarklife]

Hi, all. I’ve got an ML10X on the way and I’m trying to get my head around where various things would go.

First up, a TC Sentry noise gate - which uses the four cable method to cut noise from pedals within its send / return loop while keying the gate via its in and out (like the Boss NS-2 / NS-1X or the EHX Silencer, Decimator G-String, etc). I’m using Tonex on my board, which doesn’t have its own send / return loop and the KMA Endgame to PA and various other things at the end of my chain.

I can totally imagine putting the ML10X in the Sentry’s send / return loop, so…

Guitar > other pedals (fuzz, wah, compressor, pitch, eq, etc) > Sentry in > Sentry send > ML10X in > NOISY PEDALS > ML10X out > Sentry return > Sentry out > Tonex > Stereo mod pedals > KMA ENDGAME > PA

…but this means no stereo pedals in the ML10X’s loops should I move the ordering around. Could I instead go:

Guitar > other pedals (fuzz, wah, compressor, pitch, eq, etc) > Sentry in > Sentry send > ML10X in > NOISY PEDALS IN SEVERAL ML10X MONO LOOPS > Sentry return & Sentry out IN A FURTHER ML10X MONO LOOP > Tonex in an ML10x MONO or STEREO LOOP > STEREO MOD PEDALS IN ML10X STEREO LOOPS > ML10X out > KMA ENDGAME (stereo fx return) > PA?

It’s the idea of putting the Sentry’s return and out into an ML10X loop that I’m not sure about. It feels weird, like I’m missing something.

Would this have to be an advanced present, or could it be done in simple mode so I can toggle pedals in and out?

I know it’s super-complicated, but I guess that’s the point of these things - to solve complicated problems!

Thanks so much in advance to anyone who can help or chip in with thoughts,

Robin

[tyjohnston]

Hey, I run a similar setup with a Revv G8. It really comes down to how many loops you have available on the ML10X. I run a lot of stereo pedals that I like to move around, so I ended up with only a few loops for my mono pedals.

This looks right:

Guitar > other pedals (fuzz, wah, compressor, pitch, eq, etc) > Sentry in > Sentry send > ML10X in > NOISY PEDALS IN SEVERAL ML10X MONO LOOPS > Sentry return & Sentry out IN A FURTHER ML10X MONO LOOP > Tonex in an ML10x MONO or STEREO LOOP > STEREO MOD PEDALS IN ML10X STEREO LOOPS > ML10X out > KMA ENDGAME (stereo fx return) > PA?

It all comes down to what you’re using the ML10X for. If you’re needing to rearrange certain drives all the time, just put them in their own loops. But, if you’re like me, and you never move around like 2 or 3 drives, just group them together in a loop and save space for more stuff!

Have you tried out that setup yet?

[Snarklife]

Yeah, I finally got some time to patch it all together and… it’s a complete horror show! Strangled tone, noisy as hell. But that’s the fun (maaaaaybe?) of these projects. You start with something that sounds great, decide to change it and it’s waaaaay worse. Until it’s not. I’ll go again tomorrow but, in the short term, I might take the gate out of the loop and check something else isn’t the culprit. Once it sounds good I can try to tidy

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@Snarklife

Hey I know this is an older thread, but I’m curious on a couple things!

@tyjohnston

Sentry return & Sentry out IN A FURTHER ML10X MONO LOOP

This part confuses me, do you have the Noise gate Return & Noise gate out in two separate mono loop connections on the ML10X? Or, like into just “1” spit stereo spot that is split into two mono loops? Essentially like splitting one of the mono loops again so the NG return and out go to one mono loop? I don’t think that’s what is meant, but I’m not sure. This is all brand new to me, and my ML10X was just delivered today(I’m at work).

But, maybe it isn’t relevant? If @Snarklife never got it to sound right? Might need to come up with something different? My amp(s) don’t have a send/return, but my Boss NG does, and I run my metal zones through the send/return. I also have a Boss SY-1 synth that I run my distortions in the send/return of that to separate the gain from the Synth, so that’ll be an issue for another day, hmmmm….maybe tomorrow. lol.

Ever get this to work? Sound good, how you want it?

Thanks, Jayson.

[jason.nguyen]

I don’t have a sentry, but I do have another noise gate with loops, so maybe I can help a little.

First, if you have the noise gate always on, then you can just have it use up one mono ML10X loop that’s always on. Your signal chain would go something like

instrument → noise gate in → noise gate send → ML10X in → ML10X out → wherever

One loop of your ML10X would be set up (using Loop A.Tip for convenience) like so:

Loop A Send.Tip → Noise gate return → Noise gate out → Loop A Return.Tip

Whatever sits between your ML10X input and that loop gets gated, e.g. if you had a signal chain that went ML10X input → Loop B.Tip → Loop C.Ring → Loop A.Tip, then those two get gated.

Depending on the noise gate, the “send” signal is just a copy of the signal it’s getting, so turning off that ML10X loop effectively turns off the noise gate. In some, I feel like that send signal sounds different somehow, so then I like putting both parts of the noise gate into ML10X loops, and whatever lives between those two blocks is gated. In that case, you might do:

Loop A Send.Tip → Noise gate in → Noise gate send → Loop A.Return Tip
Loop A Send.Ring → Noise gate return → Noise gate out → Loop A.Return Ring

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sorry for the late reply. I really appreciate the responses and your time! work has been clazy busy, and home as well. Just Finished taking 30 min to wrap my head around your response Post.

Whatever sits between your ML10X input and that loop gets gated, e.g. if you had a signal chain

that went ML10X input → Loop B.Tip → Loop C.Ring → Loop A.Tip, then those two get gated

this part is making my brain explode lol. LOOP B. tip is running into Loop C. Ring? then into Loop A Tip? I don’t think I’m understanding it correctly. Loop = a Pedal, right? maybe they are running into each other? does that demonstrate a series of Loops (Pedals)? I’ll be running mostly in Parallel, so I’m not sure if that is conducive of the above?

How do I know what will be sitting between the ML10x IN and the noise gate loop? How do I make a connection with Loop A, with the Loop C. ring if its already connected to the Noise gate out?

sorry I am excited for this tool, But seriously overwhelmed! lol.

[jason.nguyen]

Loop B. Tip → Loop C. Ring were just examples since I don’t have actual pedals in those positions.

You make your connections on the ML10X in the editor, so you literally go in and make those connections, like so:

Here, your instrument goes into your ML10X. That signal goes to whatever pedal is at Loop B(Tip), which then goes into the input of the noise gate and out of its send. CTip and C Ring are in the Noise gate’s FX loop (so they’re probably drives and distortions), and then E Tip and E Ring are after them (maybe they’re modulations, delays, reverbs, amp modelers, etc.).

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ok got it! very helpful, thank you.