How to save Strymon MIDI Presets? Work-around solution?

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If you are like me, you have an MC3 or MC8 Pro (or both), plus a few MIDI-enabled Strymon pedals, and enjoy saving MIDI presets on your Strymon pedals.

But very soon after saving my first few MIDI presets on my Brig and Flint, I realized… I don’t actually know what CC values I saved… or have the ability to back up my presets… or repeat them on a second unit if I wanted to…

I soon found myself ‘spending’ 5-8 Msg’s to send an entire Strymon-preset’s worth of CC values to my Flint, instead of recalling a stored preset…

And soon, spending 14-16 Msg’s to send 2x preset’s worth of CC values, in order to use one footswitch to toggle between two Flint settings.

By sending 5-8 particular CC values to my MIDI-enabled Strymon pedals, I know exactly what each pedal is set to… plus, I can repeat it… save it to Morningstar config file… do the same to a new pedal if one breaks, etc.

My question is… is there a clever solution that doesn’t rely on Strymon MIDI presets that you cannot save or backup… to spend only 1 Msg to send multiple Msg’s to a Strymon MIDI pedal?

eg. My initial idea, is to setup a dedicated Bank - one per Strymon preset - each with whatever CC values make up my preset… and use a Bank Jump Msg, to trigger the Bank with the preset, etc. but that will get me stuck in a new Bank… plus, will ‘cost’ me several Banks, if I have several Strymon ‘presets’.

I am looking for a clever way to exploit, say, MIDI Sequence, to save a bunch of ‘frequently used lists of CC msg/values’

Cheers

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With the Brig, I made about 12 distinctly different presets internally. These are my starting points to manipulate with CC messages and expression pedals from the MC6pro.

So with one internal pedal preset, (PC#1) I can get many different sounds depending what CC’s I send. When I get a great combination of parameters, I save it to my Brig pedal bank as a preset.

You can call on those without bank jumping with the “Engage Preset” action. I have banks setup for gigs with presets that I remotely access and pedal preset banks that I don’t touch. I also copy and paste directly into gig banks.

I generally keep pedal preset and performance banks separated. I don’t need every preset for a gig and like to edit them further for particular songs or have different expression settings.

I’m not sure if this helps you at all. I do think it’s odd for a pedal to have 300 save locations with no way to edit and back up.

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Thanks for somehow, understanding my Strymon v. MIDI ramblings.

You said it…

it’s odd for a pedal to have 300 save locations with no way to edit and back up

I think I understand… you create Strymon MIDI presets… and recall them… but also, modify one or more specific CC’s of them.

eg. recall previously saved Strymon MIDI preset for a particular song… but press a footswitch to change or toggle, just the Feedback CC# on the fly

I wish I could somehow, monitor or read what CC values my Strymon MIDI presets have saved.

eg. Press a footswitch on my MC3 to recall a MIDI preset on my Brig… press and hold another footswitch to increase Feedback from it’s current value to 99%… and Release footswitch to return to the previous Feedback setting… which was what, exactly?

As far as I know, there is no hands-free way to save a Strymon MIDI preset, other than how it says so in the manual.

eg. Press a footswitch on my MC3 to recall a MIDI preset on my Brig… it’s close, but not quite the Repeats value I want… I press a footswitch or adjust an expression pedal to edit just the Repeats value… then somehow, magically press a footswitch to overwrite my Brig’s MIDI preset, everything the same except a new Repeats value? Not possible.

I think the way you (and I) do it is the best way so far.

Perhaps one day, Nixie will support Brig, Flint V2, Lex V2, etc. and all of my problems will be solved.

I think I was secretly hoping, someone knew something I didn’t, and Editor included some cool way of running multiple, or long strings of CC messages with just one Bank Msg. Nope.

In the meantime, I think I might use a Bank in Editor to build sounds on my Strymon pedals, with known CC values, etc… but then save them as Strymon MIDI presets… as well as, save the Bank to my computer for safe keeping - and the next best thing to what we want?

Cheers

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Yes it seems you understand what I’m saying. I wasn’t sure if my thoughts were clear.

Correct except I will also send the CC messages (mix, filter, mode, divisions, feedback, etc..) when I recall the preset. One button press. The original saved preset may not have enough of some parameter but close enough.

I’ll manipulate feedback etc with expression pedals but I like the idea of ramping with a footswitch. I still have the old Brigadier and did it all the time with that.

Depending on the song or preset, heel down will be the original loaded values. Sometimes I like to make heel down less or zero. If I really need those original loaded values back quickly, which is unlikely, I can just load the preset again.

When you find presets that you like, back them up!

Which CC message/value gives you the right sound or delay time? You will have to experiment with that. It’s part of the “fun”. Good luck!