Hello there,
I’m new to the midi world, so sorry for my maybe stupid question, but I cannot find something in the video-tutorials…
I have the MC6 and have for example on Switch A a preset (Preset Change) of the Strymon Timeline. Now I would like to disable that preset when I press the Switch A again, so like I would do it on the Timeline itself. How can I programm that?
Thanks for your help!!
Best, Martin
I don’t have the Timeline but looking at their midi chart, looks like to Bypass you use CC#102 with a value of 0 to bypass and value 127 to engage.
Assuming you’re first message is a PC# to recall a preset:
you can turn “Toggle Mode On”, change the first message from “Pos: Both” to “Pos:1” and then you can use a second message (CC#102 value 0) set to “Pos:2” to bypass the whole pedal. Additionally you can click “Preset Blink On” and have a visual indicator which preset is active (or use a different toggle name)
You’re turning your single tap preset into a toggle switch where the first time you click only the PC will send (in Position 1) then the next time only the bypass will send (in Position 2)
Depending on you’re use case you may find you need a “Set Toggle” message type at the start of each preset that will disengage any other preset you’re already using.
Hope that answers your question without opening up too many more 
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Thanks so much, I’ll try that immediately when I’m home tonight!
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My Problem is almost solved :)…
I put Program Change to “Pos1”, and a Control Change (#102 value 127) to “Pos1” (without the Control Change on “pos1” the preset is never engaged), and a Control Change (#102 value 0) to “Pos2”.
The only Problem is when I push Preset B (it’s engagend), then press Preset A (also engaged) and press then Preset B again Preset B is disengaged, and I have to push the switch again to engage it.
Is it possible to set it that on a Program Change the preset is always engaged, and just after that you can switch it on and off?
Thanks again so much!!!
I have NO idea if it’ll work but there’s a new(ish) action called On First Engage and also On First Engage (send only this).
Suggest posting screenshots of your Preset A, Preset B and Bank Settings. That’ll help see what’s going on…
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As @moley6knipe suggested, it’ll help if you can post screenshots of Preset A and Preset B to help nail it down.
With one of my banks I have each preset set up first with a “Set Toggle” message before anything else that disengages (or engages depending on how I want to use it) all other Presets before it sends what I want that Preset to do.
I found now a way that would work: With the PC Message I send a CC Message #102 Value 127 to engage the Preset at first when I press the switch, and then I put a CC Message #102 Value 0 to disengage it, but as “Long Press”. That is working, but would be nicer to have it with a normal press…
if that’s important, I want to use my MC6 switches A B C to choose 3 different presets of the timeline, and switches D E F for choosing 3 presets on the eventide H9.
Thank you so much for your time, I really appreciate!!!
I think you might just need to put your program change (which is the preset select) after the “ON” control change (127), but I’m new as well so I’m not sure. This is how mine is set up and it’s working.
Thanks!
But when I select Preset A, then select Preset B and then Preset A again, it’s bypassed, because it’s the 2nd time I pressed the switch. So I have to press it in this case 2 times… So I prefer the “long press”-solution I desribed. Or do I get anything wrong (wouldn’t be suprised :))…
Confess I don’t know these pedals, but I’d expect Preset A to look like this to engage / disengage the pedal when Pressed (ignore the ‘C4 engage / C4 bypass’ text… it’s because I’ve stored those values in User Library as those are the same CC values my synth pedal uses, coincidentally):
Let’s check… It sounds like you want:
- to Press A so it engages,
- then Press B so Preset B engages whilst leaving Preset A engaged,
- then when you press A again Preset A disengages,
- and when you press B again Preset B disengages
…have I got that correct?
Check your Bank Settings. If ‘Clear Preset Toggles’ is Enabled (on) then pressing any switch will clear Toggles on all other switches in the bank - I think that’s what you’re experiencing, maybe?! If set to Off then Presets stay toggled when you press a different switch.
I leave the Bank level Clear Preset Toggles setting disengaged, and instead set it per Preset. In this Bank, I’ve got sounds from three pedals. I’ve set up a Toggle message per Preset so I can engage presets from my chorus, drive and synth at the same time BUT I can only engage ONE preset at a time on the chorus, ONE preset at a time on the drive and ONE preset at a time on the synth.
Here’s the JSON for that Bank if you want a look - just load it into Setlist Manager to view without adding to your MC:
Morningstar_MC6_MKII_Bank_Backup_Core sounds_20220121_233319.json (28.4 KB)
@moley6knipe Has given you a good layout, but just in case I’ll add that you may need a delay between choosing the preset and bypassing the Timeline off of can’t respond to both simultaneously. The “On First Engage (send only this)” could work, but then you’d have to hit it twice 1) choose 2) bypass.
Hey, thank you so much for your time!! I really appreciate that!!
I tried it out, but my problem is still this:
for example: I press A, it engages, I press A again to disengage A, it disengages, then I press A again to engage, it engages. After that I press B, so B engages and A disengages, everything fine untill here (Strymon Timeline does only one Preset at a time)
But when I now Press A again, just the Programm Change happens, A doesn’t engage, I think because it’s the second time I press A, so the “Pos2”-Command executes.
But it makes no sense to press A just to set the Programm Change, of course I want to engage it at once.
Basically I want to behave Switches A B C of the MC6 to do a programm change and engage it when I press it, and when I press the SAME switch again I want it to disengage.
Just like the Strymon Timeline Switches would work if there were 3 instead of 2, or like the Line 6 DM4 works (there are 3 preset Switches and it was 15 years on my board)…
Pretty ok I’m now with this solution: having a Programm Change and a Control Change (Pos:Both) to change the Preset and to engage it, and having a LONG PRESS (Pos:Both) for putting the Strymon Timeline in Bypass. So I just have to remember that I have to long press to disengage the Timeline. Pretty ok for me:
Btw, with this “On First Engage” it didn’t work neither.
I hope I’m getting everything right, it’s getting quite complicated and at the moment I just can do the settings at night when my little son and the baby are sleeping :)…
Found this thread and have something similar, but different. Thanks for the assist!
I have a Meris LVX I’m using a bank in the MC8 to control various delays using each button/preset. I want use Toggle Mode such that, if pressed A for example, I get a blinking 8th Dly ON and then press again to get non-blinking 8th Dly OFF. I’ve successfully configured this by using the appropriate LVX CC message to bypass the effect. HOWEVER…
When I press B, which is the same approach but blinking Tape Dly ON and Tape Dly OFF, 8th Dly ON (i.e. Preset A) is still blinking…QUESTION IS: is there a way to turn off all other presets to their OFF toggle position when another is pressed (and blinking ON)?
The LVX still only engages the preset i need correctly (because only one can be enabled at one time), but the MC8 display is what is messing me up.
Please let me know if this possible…thanks!
Hi,
the quick fix would be to go to bank settings to enable ‘clear preset toggles’. However, if you want to exclude some patches, you’ll have to use ‘set toggle’ messages. Check this MC8 Toggle Mode - toggle preset when hitting switch for another
Yes this is exactly what i needed! Thanks