CC Value Scroll

MIDI Control Boss
1

Is there something special that needs to be done on an RC-5 for this to work? I’m trying to scroll through Rhythm patters. I have the scroll type set to Increase by one and send, but it will not increase the value.

2

Can you share a screenshot of your preset in the editor?
Also, what firmware version are you using?

Do also check the Controller settings >> Scroll counter menu and make sure the selected counter min and max are set properly (just save it once to be sure).

3

Hi @johnnyninja
I don’t have the RC5 but probably in the RC500 it’s the same. The rhythm paterns aren’t assigned to sequential values of midi CC. Only Boss can explain why they think it’s a good ideia. For me it’s dificult to imagine the advantages of this implementation.
Here you are the listing of values in RC500. Good luck.

Boss RC-500 RHY PATTERN Values
Value Pattern
0 SimpleBeat1
3 SimpleBeat2
5 SimpleBeat3
7 SimpleBeat4
8 GrooveBeat1
11 GrooveBeat2
13 GrooveBeat3
15 GrooveBeat4
18 GrooveBeat5
19 GrooveBeat6
22 GrooveBeat7
24 Rock1
27 Rock2
28 Rock3
31 Rock4
33 Funk1
35 Funk2
37 Funk3
39 Funk4
42 Shuffle1
44 Shuffle2
46 Shuffle3
48 Shuffle4
51 Shuffle5
53 Swing1
55 Swing2
57 Swing3
60 Swing4
62 Swing5
64 SideStick1
66 SideStick2
68 SideStick3
71 SideStick4
73 SideStick5
75 PercusBeat1
77 PercusBeat2
80 PercusBeat3
82 PercusBeat4
84 LatinBeat1
86 LatinBeat2
89 LatinBeat3
91 LatinBeat4
93 Conga1
95 Conga2
97 Conga3
100 Bossa1
102 Bossa2
104 Samba1
106 Samba2
109 DanceBeat1
111 DanceBeat2
113 DanceBeat3
115 DanceBeat4
117 Metronome1
120 Metronome2
122 Metronome3
124 Metronome4
126 Blank
4

I missed that part. I was looking for a menu, but just didn’t see it. I’ll experiment tonight and see if it’s possible without sequential values.

thanks

5

Thanks for the list!

6

You can get the MC to scroll CCs easy enough eg this thread [Uses & Ideas] Value Scroll Counters - #2 by moley6knipe

But the fact that sometimes it needs an increment of 1, and other times 2 or 3 or whatever will make it difficult to anything “smart” or neat.

Above link does give you a way of getting the scroll counter number on the MC screen which will at least help….

7

James,

Here are the screenshots. I can use preset B to scroll up and I hear the drum pattern change. Preset A will show the cc value change, but nothing really happens, the drum pattern stays the same. Same with preset B double tap. What am I missing? Thanks.

EDIT. One of the screenshots got messed up. This one is preset B increase counter by 1 and send. Preset A is identical except it decreases.

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8

I just tested this and it appears correctly on the MIDI Monitor. Can you try testing your Preset A and see if the CC messages appear in the MIDI Monitor?

This is what I used based on your description:

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I got the scrolling to work. I had the wrong midi channel set.

What I’m trying to do now is have an action reset the cc value to zero, which is the beginning of the cycle), and actually start playing the rhythm associated with zero. I can get the counter number (0) on my screen to change by resetting the counter,but nothing actually changes. I guess I need some sort of dual action?

I tried just setting the cc number (81) with the value I want (0), and that works, but the displayed number from my short name, (%E1)still shows the last value from scrolling.

10

Sounds like you need a preset with Msg1 Press being Reset Only and Msg2 Press being Send Only. That should do it!

https://morningstarengineering.atlassian.net/wiki/spaces/MMS/pages/181698784/MIDI+Type+Glossary#CC-Value-Scroll

11

I’ve made a preset that scrolls up with Release and down with Long Press. It shows the correct counter (Rhythm) on screen. I use counter 1, start value=127, Min=0, Max=127.
Here is the preset

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12

I tested and found that the correct values for Rhythm Patterns is

Boss RC-500 RHY PATTERN Values
Value Pattern
0 SimpleBeat1
2 SimpleBeat2
4 SimpleBeat3
6 SimpleBeat4
8 GrooveBeat1
11 GrooveBeat2
13 GrooveBeat3
15 GrooveBeat4
17 GrooveBeat5
19 GrooveBeat6
22 GrooveBeat7
24 Rock1
26 Rock2
28 Rock3
31 Rock4
33 Funk1
35 Funk2
37 Funk3
39 Funk4
42 Shuffle1
44 Shuffle2
46 Shuffle3
48 Shuffle4
51 Shuffle5
53 Swing1
55 Swing2
57 Swing3
60 Swing4
62 Swing5
64 SideStick1
66 SideStick2
68 SideStick3
71 SideStick4
73 SideStick5
75 PercusBeat1
77 PercusBeat2
80 PercusBeat3
82 PercusBeat4
84 LatinBeat1
86 LatinBeat2
89 LatinBeat3
91 LatinBeat4
93 Conga1
95 Conga2
97 Conga3
100 Bossa1
102 Bossa2
104 Samba1
106 Samba2
109 DanceBeat1
111 DanceBeat2
113 DanceBeat3
115 DanceBeat4
117 Metronome1
120 Metronome2
122 Metronome3
124 Metronome4
126 Blank
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Thanks guys. This got me up and running, and both solutions work. I’m slowly wrapping my head around this midi world. This is a good start.

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