I have scrolled throught this forum and the Internet in general, and have found no clear answer to my query:
My idea is to run three ML10X’s controlled by one MC8 PRO. In the following, I will refer to them as X1, X2, and X3.
X1 is dedicated to compressor, modulation, miscellaneous pedals, volume pedal, and noise suppressor, and one loop will be used for the X2. X1 out will go to front of amp. Guitar via tuner and parametric eq goes to X1 in.
X2 is dedicated to fuzz, overdrive, and distortion pedals only.
X3 is dedicated to midi controllable stereo tremolo, delay, and reverb pedals. X3 goes through the amp’s stereo effects loop.
My questions are:
Can one MC8 Pro controll all this?
Are there any limitations I should be aware of before planning further towards the big purchase?
Thanks in advance. I look forward to being enlightened by you, the community!
Yes you can connect 3 ML10x or more. I guess you are only limited by the amount of midi chanels, which is 16, I believe. Ofcourse you should take into account other midi devices that you want to include. As long as the total doesnt exceed 16, you are good.
The limitation is that the order of effects can only be varied within a ml10x unit. So an effect that is in your first in signal chain ml10x can never becomw after an ml10x later in your signal chain.
Edit: I see that you want to insert a ml10x into a loop of another. I assume this works, but I am not sure. Why don’t you use the output of the ml10x to connect to input of the next ml10x? You get some reorder ability by using a ml10x in a loop, but only limited in a strange way. For me that addition wouldnt justify giving up a loop.
You can connect as many ML10X’s as you want. Additionally, if used with an Morningstar controller, you don’t have to waste MIDI channels and instead can use the “ML10X” message type, which transmits via MIDI SysEx and identifies each ML10X by its “device ID,” which you can define in that device’s settings
Thank you for clarifying and nurturing my high hopes!
The reason I want the second ML10x in a loop of the first is to have the ability to switch between several dirt pedals, and at the same time be able to vary the order of modulation and volume pedal before or after dirt for different textures. If there was such thing as an ML20xx or even larger, the issue would not be an issue. I will purchase and experiment (when the economy allows). If it doesn’t work according to my desires, I will just by more pedals to have both before and after dirt.
Yes, I expect that what you describe is possible. So if you put your drives in one ml10x and insert that ml10x in one of your loops of another ml10x, you can choose whether you want your over drives before or after your other effects, but obbiously, you cannot have one drive before and another from the same ml10x after the effects in the other ml10x at the same time.
If you have two ML10Xs that are both all-mono, you can set it up to have some loop crossovers without using the actual loops, by exploiting the second input/output pair. Think of it this way:
I just bought two ML10X units and I was intrigued by this specific routing but I’m having trouble implementing it.
I have a TRS cable between Output A and Input B to pass Output A Tip To Input B Tip and Output A Ring to Input B Ring. I’ve also made a custom cable so that I can route Output B Tip back to Input A Ring and Output B Ring as the main output.
Have you tried this setup? Or was this just comment just a theory and how this setup could work. I’m not sure if I’m setting something up incorrectly in the Editor or if my cable is wrong? Any advice would be great.
I haven’t done this exact setup, but I’ve done bits of it for different scenarios. Before you link them, test each ML10X individually. Put a few loops on them and make sure you can run signal like so: input tip → loops → output tip. Then do input ring → loops → output ring. Check that on both devices, and then if they’re good individually, there’s no reason it shouldn’t work together, because they’re not interacting any other way than sending audio to each other.
Thanks for your insight. I was able to get audio today, I believe the input split may have been enabled when I got the units, I’m not sure.
I still have to solder all of my cables for the routing so it might be another week before I can fully test the complex routing setup. Have you run into any issues with ground loops when connecting back and forth between two ML10X’s?
The only time I’ve experienced ground loop noise is if I plug in the USB. I have all USB-controllable devices on my board connected to a single hub, so I just unplug when actually playing or use a USB filter if I really have to. If the ML10Xs are on isolated power, it should be fine.
